Financing Home Buying Status Updates

It’s back!

I have not been totally transparent on the number of things that have seemingly killed this deal only to have it spring back to life. Like a cat it must have nine lives and it has all but chewed through 8 of them at this point. After thinking it was dead and gone for certain last week and going as far as to have my realtor draw up the cancelation for the contract to get the earnest money back — once again the sellers and both realtors have come together to find another way to close this deal.

Its not that this avenue was not tried in the past — it just did not pan out very well in the past and was avoided due to a bad initial experience.

The biggest issue that has come up with buying this property is the type of home that it is or is not. See, when you look at the pictures without going inside you might think that this was just a normal pier and beam home. In fact even going in side you might not really tell sometehing was off right away, but it is there. In the front of the home it is basically a full width living room with vaulted ceilings and a fireplace. Going from the living room to the dining room you notice immediatley that those vaulted ceilings are now only about 6.5′. This was the first give away that this was not a normal pier and beam home, but none of the paperwork we had told us otherwise.

It eventually came out during the insurance (or even before then, I forget) when they found paperwork on a mobile home being the primary residence. This is of course in stark contrast to what you see when you get there. There is nothing mobile about this piece of property as it has been so heavily modified the only thing that remains is a small piece of the structures metal framing. The rest is all add on including the front living room, possibly one bath room and one bedroom, the carport and shop area, breezway and prorches. Now I am not saying you cannot finance a mobile home. There are tons of people that will finance mobile homes. But there are very few people who will finance a single wide mobile home. The ones that will charge an arm and a leg for the privilege. Mind you – that is only if you have a single wide.

If this were a double wide mobile home then everything would have been fine. Nobody was sure what it was any more. My personal belief was that it was modified so heavily that it was more of a regular single family home than any mobile home. My realtor though the same, as did the broker and pretty much everyone else that had been there. At worse we though it would be classified as a double wide mobile home which was still fine for financing and insurance purposes.

The person that determines what kind of structure the property is lies in the hands of the appraiser. I ended up paying for this to be done early – right after inspections so underwriting would not get hung up. We were all blown away when he came back and classified it as a single wide mobile home. I ended up calling to see what was up with that and he explained that it was industry standard. Once a structure has been classified as one thing, it is always that thing. So even if the previous owners built a hotel off of that, it would still be a single wide mobile home.

This is what killed the deal last time. Once it was classified as a mobile home it ruled out any investors from the broker that I was using, meaning getting a snazzy 2.50 – 2.65% rate was out of the window. That was it for me. I was done, I am already kind of numb by this entire rollercoaster to be honest. I asked my realtor to draw up the cancelation so I can start looking again. This sparked a fury of work behind the scenes (honestly this is where my realtor starts to earn that commission (aside from crawling under houses in full business attire).

I was presented with an offer from a Farm CoOp financing offer that was better than the one I had pursued when all this mess about the mobile home started (to make sure I had a backup plan if my broker fell though and meet the 1/31 contract deadline).

Originally when I checked into this option the rates were 5.85%, but being a co-op means you do get some money back at the end of the year. The amount was not explained, honestly I was so put off by 5.85% when 2.5 – 2.75% was the norm (and with my credit I qualify for easily). Why would I pay double, the money did not make any sense. The P&I payment at that rate is nearly 50% more cutting into my savings goals for moving to this lower cost housing.

Anyway the new rates were only .85% less (4.99%) but the co-op side of it was explained more. Average is 1.1% over the last 14 years with one year being 2.5% back. 4% is high given current rates (shit is is higher than what I have currently for the McMansion) but in the end it is about $80/month more than what I had planned on — for the property I can live with that. So we are back on.

This deal can still die (again) and I will not resuscitate it again — its too much for me. Also the owners are kind of fucked now for selling this property. It would take another person like me willing to jump through all these hoops and pay more to close it. I also understand that I will be in this same position when I go to sell it (if I sell it) but I do have plans to improve the property and get the value off of the primary house (by adding another regular modular home).

It should be clear if this deal is going to close in about 3 weeks once the CoOp does their appraisal – which is not necessarily based on the house but more on the land (probably should have explained that this is why this option works — its basically a farm loan).

Financing Status Updates

Its dead

Welp. Its is officially dead. After calling 6 local banks and two national manufactured home lenders it is as dead as a doornail. There was one local bank that was possibly on board, but I would need to toss another grand at it to have the honor of having a high mortgage rate. I also called two national mobile home mortgage companies and the rates started at nearly double the going rates (around 5.75%).

So there it is. Dead. A very expensive lesson learned. The search for some woods for this geek continues!

Home Buying

Property inspections

Went out to the property today and met with a bunch of people. Often when I have an inspection it is at most me, the inspector and my realtor. This inspection included myself, my realtor, the sellers realtor, the inspectors and the sellers husband and kid. Quite a group of people.

After exchanging our greetings the inspector got to work. The owner showed me the drain valves on the house and how to get the well pump started. It was quick, two drains under the house (somewhat easy to get to) and a breaker box for the well house. That was the first time seeing the inside of the well house — not sure what they are supposed to look like but this one was a dirt floor, a huge water tank and a really exposed motor / air pump running on a belt. Quite loud, you could hear it from outside of the tiny well house.

The inspection lasted about 5 hours. While that was going on the owner offered to take us on a tour of the trails that they had cut. My realtor and myself followed him through the forest. I tried very hard to hide my excitement… my own trails. We went down the creek which was flowing slowly. You could hear the water further down so I think there might be an area where it pools. So peaceful. Everything is winter gray at the moment, I can only imagine what it is going ot look like after everything greens up again. I can totally see myself cutting new trails to go all the way to the back of the property, bike trails for sure. Right now they have them cut off on the side of the small creek, so only about 50% of the property is utilized at all.

The owner gave me a run down of the neighbors, nobody is super close except for the couple that has 3 acres in the front of the property. Mostly sounds like people that would not be going or building anything for a while. The access road next to the house is completely closed off to the public, the utility easement that runs next to the house is just that, a utility easement (though it is quite overgrown). One of the neighbors raises Alpacas and they sometimes get into the woods. Cool.

I do not have the report in hand yet, the things that they pointed out to me while there was the pier / beam foundation is out of spec by an inch in one place (common for pier / beams). They (and my realtor) said don’t do anything until that gets really bad as it is likely to damage more of the walls when being fixed (you can see some separation in the molding in places). I knew that was going to come up going in though. What I didn’t expect was a active termite colony. They said they cannot look inside walls, but it did not look bad. Just the tubes. That will need to get addressed before moving in.

Other than that, they were unable to locate the septic system, which is a big problem since one thing I do know is that in the five years the current owners have had the place they have never gotten the septic system pumped or did anything to it. The inspectors will not probe for it as they are not allowed to do anything destructive to locate it. They recommended calling a septic company out to locate it with rods. I called around but was unable to find anyone that would come out that same day, but later on one place I called and left a message called back and said they could be out the next day… not great having to drive another four hours but necessary as this could be an early expensive fix if there are any issues.

Waiting on the full report form the inspectors. Will go out there again to meet with the septic people.

Home Buying

Stress tested

Trying to buy this property has been one of the most stressful house buys I have ever experienced. I have purchased several homes, all of them were mostly non-events but this house…. not so easy.

The first hiccup came just after the sellers accecpted the contract. While the mortgage broker was looking it became clear that the house was some sort of conjunction of more than one house type. This was also apparent when going in the home. When you first walk in off of the amazing full width deep country porch you arrive in a big room with a vaulted ceiling. This is just an open room with a fireplace on one end. Going past the living room you arrive at the dining room. The ceiling here (and throughout the rest of the living areas) is very low, from the appraiser they called it at 6.5′ — much lower than the 12 – 14′ ceiling I am accustomed to in my current home. Not anything I have not lived in before, just a jarring difference between the 10′ vaulted ceiling in the rest of the home.

Because it looked like this could be a “mobile home” it would change the loan quite a bit. When financing a “mobile home” you have a limited number of banks to chose from, and because of that the rates are higher. In fact the mortgage broker I was using did not have any lenders to work with if it indeed was a mobile home, but only if it was a single wide mobile home. If it appraised as a double wide or manufactured home then everything was fine.

This is the first time I wanted to back out of the deal I would have lost my option money but that is just a few hundred dollars. Going further would mean that I would need to lay out closer to $900.00 to get the inspectors out moving my total loss to around $1,200.00. I chose to go ahead and will see what happens.